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Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 20.05.2018 14:38:57
von Don Johnson
Hi,

I've download latest version of Zusi 3.1.5.4 and I have problem with timetable "Warburg-Froendenberg1981 12-23" especially with train E3697. Everytime I select this train and use timelapse function simulation starts at 17:39 but according to timetable it should start at 16:31 so from the start I have 68 minut delay. Is it correct? Thank you in advance for your help.

Best regards
Don

Re: Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 20.05.2018 14:47:33
von Johannes
Probably another train is blocking the route on which E3697 is to enter the simulation. This can happen in complex timetables.

To see which train is blocking a certain route, go to Help -> Debugging -> "Routes" Tab -> select the signal box (in this case: "Fröndenberg Fo") -> select the route (in this case: "Aufgleispunkt -> Fröndenberg N1"). A red dot in the list of registers on the right will mean some part of the route is either occupied by another train (you will see its train number there), or reserved for another train but not yet occupied (in which case unfortunately no train number will be displayed).

Re: Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 23.05.2018 12:21:22
von Don Johnson
I've checked that function so I can show you where is my problem:

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At 16:51 twenty minutes after my scheduled departure, my track is blocking by cargo train number 77203.


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At 17:39 simulation starts and It happens exactly at the same time everytime. It doesn't happen randomly.

Re: Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 23.05.2018 13:17:34
von Holger Lürkens
Ich habe den E 3697 und den Gag 77203 jeweils drei mal gestartet. Dabei waren sie immer pünktlich und hatten direkt Ausfahrt. Der Gag 77203 soll um 14.45 Uhr fahren. Das sind 106 Minuten vor dem E 3697. Ich kann das verspätete Aufgleisen des E 3697 leider nicht reproduzieren. Ist vielleicht was am Fahrplan verändert worden?

My english is not so good. I started the E 3697 and the Gag 77203 three times each. They were always on time. The Gag 77203 should drive at 14.45 clock. This is 106 minutes before the E 3697. Unfortunately I can not reproduce the delay of the E 3697. Maybe something has been changed on the timetable?

Holger

Re: Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 23.05.2018 16:37:02
von Don Johnson
I didn't make any changes on timetables. I've done another clean installation of Zusi 3.1.5.0 with default settings and unfortunately my problem still occur. I suspect some kind of language problems. I use polish language on my computer.

Re: Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 23.05.2018 17:28:25
von F. Schn.
Usually language problems produce either really big problems or no problems at all. This problem looks to small for that.

Can you enter Gag 77203 and have a look if he is in a traffic jam too? If true please continue until you find a train that is not waiting for another train.

Edit: I can confirm the problem. F4 skips at 30.09.1981 17:39:23

Re: Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 23.05.2018 17:33:06
von Michael Springer
The 77203 is waiting in Fröndenberg track 1 (departure 14:45), but this must not be the "problem" train. Maybe more trains are waiting on the route towards to Warburg. Can show us the tab "Zugübersicht" in this case?

Michael

Re: Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 23.05.2018 17:54:37
von F. Schn.
The problem seems to be E 3493 driving in front of 77203 with a delay of about 2 hours. According to the train result he had been waiting at about Esig Wickede since about 2 hours but just started driving at 16:30. But I was not jet able to reproduce it if I start with that train.

Re: Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 23.05.2018 18:10:44
von F. Schn.
The problem is confusing. E3493 seems not to get a route from Wickede A even if the registers are free (0 oder 5). The problem seems to appear not in all circumstances. It seems that the problem vanishes if you enter the train. But you can observe the route to be free and not set if you stay in another train.

Edit: Maybe there is a UTM-depeding bug on timetable dependencies.

Re: Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 23.05.2018 18:24:08
von Michael Springer
E3493 has some dependencies in Arnsberg. Maybe that causes it?

Code: Alles auswählen

<FahrplanEintrag Ank="1981-09-30 14:58:30" Abf="1981-09-30 15:00:00" Betrst="Arnsberg">
<FahrplanSignalEintrag FahrplanSignal="N1"/>
<FahrplanSignalEintrag FahrplanSignal="N4"/>
<FahrplanVorgangFahrstrasse Beschreibung="Kreuzung 3182">
<AbhAbhaengigkeit AbhBedingung="9" AbhParameter="300" AbhAndererZug="3182">
<AbhAbhaengigkeit AbhOperator="1" AbhBedingung="10" AbhParameter="10500" AbhAndererZug="3182"/>
</AbhAbhaengigkeit>
</FahrplanVorgangFahrstrasse>
</FahrplanEintrag>

Re: Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 23.05.2018 18:38:20
von Holger Lürkens
Arnsberg was supposed to have no influence on Wickede.

Holger

Re: Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 23.05.2018 18:40:49
von F. Schn.
But Fröndenberg:

Code: Alles auswählen

<FahrplanEintrag Ank="1981-09-30 14:33:00" Abf="1981-09-30 14:36:00" Betrst="Fröndenberg">
<FahrplanSignalEintrag FahrplanSignal="N1"/>
<FahrplanVorgangFahrstrasse Beschreibung="Kreuzung 14276">
<AbhAbhaengigkeit AbhBedingung="9" AbhParameter="400" AbhAndererZug="14276">
<AbhAbhaengigkeit AbhOperator="1" AbhBedingung="10" AbhParameter="14500" AbhAndererZug="14276"/>
</AbhAbhaengigkeit>
</FahrplanVorgangFahrstrasse>
</FahrplanEintrag>
<FahrplanEintrag Ank="1981-09-30 14:41:30" Abf="1981-09-30 14:42:10" Betrst="Wickede">
<FahrplanSignalEintrag FahrplanSignal="N2"/>
</FahrplanEintrag>

Re: Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 23.05.2018 18:50:44
von Johannes
The analysis is correct. E 3697 is blocked by Gag 77203. That train is blocked by E 3493, which in turn is blocked by dependency "Kreuzung 14276". ExprE 14276 does not enter the simulation until 17:20, so the dependency is not fulfilled until then.

Edit: This does sound suspiciously like the problem already reported in the German section of the forum: https://forum.zusi.de/viewtopic.php?p=284960#p284960" target="_blank. According to Holger, it has already been fixed and a fix should be available in the next add-on.

Re: Ruhrtalbahn timetable problem

Verfasst: 23.05.2018 19:12:59
von F. Schn.
This seems to be more than a timetable error, so I've opend up a topic in the Bug section: https://forum.zusi.de/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=14546" target="_blank It seems like you can either try to join train 3493 at about 14:30 and go back to train 3697 a few seconds later and it also seems that enabling "UTM-Punkt aus Fahrplan fixieren" (~"keep UTM point fixed") seems to help too (but on the Ruhrtalbahn this is not recommendable).