What speed limit does not need to acknowledge?

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hansjohnson
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What speed limit does not need to acknowledge?

#1 Beitrag von hansjohnson »

Hello guys,
In my opinion, I need to press PZB Wachsam when passing the yellow speed limit of 80km/h and below, and 90km/h and above does not need to.
But my friend told me that I need to acknowledge the 90km/h speed limit if I'm driving at 105km/h or above.

So, which speed limit does not need to press PZB Wachsam? does it same in PZB O, M, U mode?

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#2 Beitrag von snookerfan »

hansjohnson hat geschrieben:Hello guys,
In my opinion, I need to press PZB Wachsam when passing the yellow speed limit of 80km/h and below, and 90km/h and above does not need to.
But my friend told me that I need to acknowledge the 90km/h speed limit if I'm driving at 105km/h or above.

So, which speed limit does not need to press PZB Wachsam? does it same in PZB O, M, U mode?
Hi!

standard:
10-30: PZB Wachsam (1000 Hz) (+ 500 Hz later on)
40-70: PZB Wachsam (1000 Hz)
80: PZB Wachsam (1000 Hz) only if you're faster than 95
90: PZB Wachsam (1000 Hz) only if you're faster than 105
100-140: no PZB Wachsam, but Zwangsbremsung (trip) (2000 Hz) if you're faster than a certain speed at a certain point

However there are, of course, exeptions. If the speed is reduced not by much (140 -> 130 or 90 -> 80 e.g.) the PZB-magnets may be omitted. But sometimes you always have to press PZB Wachsam when passing a 80 oder 90 km/h restriction no matter how fast you go.
(And of course there are many more locally applied exceptions that sometimes are even more complicated but those are really special then and often exclusive to the station they are used at.)

So best you press it anyways when passing a speed restriction of 10-90. If you get 1000 Hz you know what to do (decelerate (at least) to the speed given by your PZB mode: O 85, M 70, U 55), if you don't get 1000 Hz an unnecessary pressed button won't hurt anyone.

In this article on Wikipedia there are some helpful pictures on how this works. Maybe they are helpful even if they are in German.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschwind ... fabschnitt
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#3 Beitrag von hansjohnson »

Thank you very much!! ;)
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#4 Beitrag von janamdo »

Thanks
Its a time ago when i drive in the trains
Should be useful if there was a user manual what describe in short the PZB procedures
Post of @snookerfan is useful , but i do miss the context to get the whole picture
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#5 Beitrag von snookerfan »

Wikipedia has a full English article on PZB. Who'd've thought? :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punktf%C3 ... influssung
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Re: What speed limit does not need to acknowledge?

#6 Beitrag von F. Schn. »

janamdo hat geschrieben:Should be useful if there was a user manual what describe in short the PZB procedures
I'm not sure about your question. What's exactly missing in the Zusi manual chapter 2.12 (especially chapter 2.12.2.2.3.7)?
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#7 Beitrag von janamdo »

F. Schn. hat geschrieben:
janamdo hat geschrieben:Should be useful if there was a user manual what describe in short the PZB procedures
I'm not sure about your question. What's exactly missing in the Zusi manual chapter 2.12 (especially chapter 2.12.2.2.3.7)?
I am must say that stupid complicated numbersystem of 2.12.2.2.3.7 is a pain to use.
So its totally userunfriendly and i needed a degree in mathematics to search info
Can't answer your question anymore i am lost
Is train driving not easy( but fun), reading this manual is no fun anymore
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#8 Beitrag von Frisca »

janamdo hat geschrieben:I am must say that stupid complicated numbersystem of 2.12.2.2.3.7 is a pain to use.
OT: Yeah, that's something very German, and something German engineers especially are quite fond of, I guess. Me, I've never liked numbering like that. But it's the way it is, you have to get over it.

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#9 Beitrag von Johannes »

janamdo hat geschrieben:I am must say that stupid complicated numbersystem of 2.12.2.2.3.7 is a pain to use.
So its totally userunfriendly and i needed a degree in mathematics to search info
On the contrary, you just need Ctrl+F, copy+paste the numbers F.Schn. gave you and you are at the correct chapter, without ambiguity.

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#10 Beitrag von F. Schn. »

Do you really want to say "I don't want to read the manual because of the headline number system"!?!?!?

By the way: What exactly do you want to do whith math!? This is an address, not an exercise.
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#11 Beitrag von Michael Springer »

When I read the last contributions of a specific person, the constant nagging is really exhausting. Take it or leave it...

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#12 Beitrag von janamdo »

Michael Springer hat geschrieben:When I read the last contributions of a specific person, the constant nagging is really exhausting. Take it or leave it...
Do we get personal ...

Who are you to say, take or leave it ?
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#13 Beitrag von janamdo »

F. Schn. hat geschrieben:Do you really want to say "I don't want to read the manual because of the headline number system"!?!?!?

By the way: What exactly do you want to do whith math!? This is an address, not an exercise.
No, of course not, but the number system using ( other then copy a number ) is as it is
Painstakingly searching for the right text ( like doing math, very precise )

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#14 Beitrag von F. Schn. »

WTF?
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#15 Beitrag von janamdo »

F. Schn. hat geschrieben:WTF?
Why WTF ?

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#16 Beitrag von F. Schn. »

I really put a lot of effort in reinterpreting your posts as respectfull. But I slowly come to a point where I can no longer interpret your answers in a non-troll manner. This includes your indee interpretation of an reference system, clipboard and your interesting response to the hint what your behaviour looks like.
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#17 Beitrag von janamdo »

What you want, i don't care
All those qualifications based on nothing

If someone becomes rude , then aspect a reaction
Realize that you are insulting me with this qualification ?
WTF who are you?
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#18 Beitrag von Carsten Hölscher »

He is one of the most helpful members of this forum, answering more questions than anyone else I think. So this is the moment when you should think about your own posts.

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#19 Beitrag von janamdo »

Well, you must not say this to me, but to your forummember @F. Schn. to back off
Nothing wrong with my posts.
It is the world upsite down this behavior.
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#20 Beitrag von Frisca »

Well, since English is not the first language for any of us, maybe things have been said that could have been said differently in ones mother tongue, and maybe things have been understood in a way that could have been different in ones native language.

Maybe all of us should just take a step back and let it rest.

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